Republicans ready for their turnLocal delegates prepare for national convention By Robert Behre (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Monday, September 1, 2008
Lowcountry delegates and alternates in this week's Republican National Convention know that their presidential primary campaign— unlike the Democrats' — was settled a long time ago, so their convention won't feature as much drama over whether the party will unite. But they say the convention still is crucial to get out GOP hopeful Sen. John McCain's message and to offset the momentum built up by the Democrats by the time they wrapped up their convention in Denver last week. Mark Hartley, a former Charleston County Republican Party chairman, said he has been with McCain "since Day 1." He backed McCain in 2000 as well as this year. While Democrats wondered whether Sen. Hillary Clinton and her supporters would join Sen. Barack Obama's campaign enthusiastically, Hartley said he has seen supporters of Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and of former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee, who opposed McCain in the primary, returning to the fold. "We want to have all those folks back, and I'm sure we will. It's going to be important," he said. "Sen. Obama is going to get a bounce this week, and we have got to neutralize that. We've got to keep our momentum moving forward, and I think this convention is going to cause that to happen." Charm Altman, wife of former state Rep. and current Charleston County School Board candidate John Graham Altman, attended almost every Charleston visit made by Republican presidential candidates during the primary campaign and said the convention should make clear how different McCain is from President Bush, whose popularity has ebbed. "Bush is no longer an option. He no longer has anything to do with it," she said. "McCain will lead this country. He's not another Bush, and I think the more they portray it that way, the more Republicans get their backs up." Some have wondered what surprise the McCain campaign might have in store, such as a pledge to serve only one term. Hartley said McCain also could raise eyebrows if he switched formats during his Thursday acceptance speech. "There's a number of folks who are pushing the senator to go back to the standard approach of the town hall meeting and really use that approach that he's been so successful at,' Hartley said. 'A lot of folks are hoping he'll do that for his acceptance. If that's true and that happens, it will be a neat thing." Hartley predicted that "absent a very controversial (vice presidential) pick, the entire party is going to be behind whoever we choose." McCain put to rest such potential controversy Friday by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential nominee, a pick applauded by the party's base. S.C. Speaker of the House Bobby Harrell, R-Charleston, said McCain must show how he differs from Obama, particularly his philosophies in what government should do. "He just needs to reiterate to the American people his agenda for reforming Washington, holding taxes down and slowing the growth of government and, most of all, keeping people safe," Harrell said. "The economy and other domestic issues are very important, but when you boil the whole thing down, we need a president who will make sure our children are safe, and I think that is John McCain's strongest suit." Charleston County GOP Chairwoman Lin Bennett will be attending the convention as an alternate, and in addition to the presidential activity, she also will be keeping an eye on whether the party passes a plan that preserves South Carolina's early primary in the 2012 presidential season. South Carolina remains a red state and is widely expected to vote for McCain this fall. Still, state GOP Chairman Katon Dawson, said the party will work hard. "Do I feel John McCain will win the eight electoral votes in South Carolina? Yes I do. Are we campaigning like that? Not at all," he said. "We're not going to take anything for granted." Hartley agreed that McCain is in good shape here, as is incumbent U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who is running in the only other statewide election this year. The convention — and McCain's ultimate popularity this fall — likely will translate into whether incumbents such as state Rep. Wallace Scarborough and Charleston County Coroner Rae Wooten will win their races. "The more solid the state is for McCain and Lindsey, the more it helps us down the ballot," Hartley said. "All of the pundits are saying how bad the Republican year is going to be, but I would suggest to you that there will be a time when the top of the ticket in South Carolina will help with us." The Minneapolis convention also will provide an opportunity for Dawson to schmooze with delegates from other states to help his chances of being elected the next Republican National Chairman in January. Dawson, the fifth longest serving state chair, said he is honored to be mentioned for that post but said any politicking will remain in the back seat until the presidential race is over. Reach Robert Behre at 937-5771 or at rbehre@postandcourier.com. |
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Posted by mkris on September 1, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ROLOL
Posted by Brant on September 1, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
it's all about one thing: the over-done coronation of an eighth-wit in hopes that he'll carry on the policies of a quarter-wit.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Johnq2 on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is interesting. Just breaking in the real news about Palin.
Apparently she was/is a member of an Alaskan secessionist party that wanted to succeed from the USA and keep all the oil and gas profits for themselves.
JohnQ,, I watched it and I call B.S . Just like the naked photo B.S .. She is talking about that party and not for it. You can bearly hear what she is saying the voice over and music drowns out most of what she said... Please come with more than a made up doctored YOUTUBE video.
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Johnq2 on September 1, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I will go ahead and post for RW so he and tripsa can sleep in late.
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!badLOL!!!!!!!!!!lefties!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bush!!!!!!!!!!!!
christians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!McBush!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn that's Funny! LMAO!!!!
Johnq2, did you know that RW used to be a wrestler back at Hillbilly Tech, you know rolling around the floor in tights playing grab ass. Who would have thunk?
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
johnq,
Congratulations on your recent sex change operation.
Did you know when you made the transition from man to woman, your foreskin was injected into your lips to give you that glamour model appearance?
So basically every time you lick your lips you're blowing yourself.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is a link you may be interested
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/08/has-...
Posted by KidYendor on September 1, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These conventions are just pep rallies for their candidates. They are boring to watch on TV since all has been decided beforehand. The Democrats tell the truth about their desires for a socialist Marxist state. The Republicans tell the lies of how they want conservatism, less spending, more freedom, and free markets. When they preach that mantra ask them why then President G.W.B. would want the No Child Left Behind Act, mortgage bailouts and foreign interventionism? We need to vote for Libertarian Party and Constitutional Party candidates.
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I've seen that video before.....obvious why he doesn't want to meet McCain in that forum. For a potential leader of the free world, he sure is afraid.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That was sad John_Doe...I was concerned with McCain repeating sentences but that sorry sack even finish one.
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama's speech coach is Johnq!
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
LOL..That was bad.....I don't agree with old JohnQ politicals views and his liberal stance.. but I would take JohnQ as a looter.....
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am sorry I ment not take JohnQ as a looter ...again so sorry.....NOT take JOHNQ as A LOOTER
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL.. come now RW.. the liberals will self destruct on thier own...turst me.. I am with you guys when it come to the political arugements but I am not usre those type comments are needed...I see the humor in it but ...well...
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jeff61,
I agree with you, we should only stick to the story and the facts. Like this fact:
“john” is another word for “bathroom”. So, speaking about someone who seems to protest too much, I ascertain johnq chose his screen name based on his infatuation with bathrooms, particularly bathroom stalls.
It appears johnq is not an active “toe-tapper” but he is obviously an active listener for tapping.
I can only surmise that johnq placed that piece of TP on the floor to attract a date.
You have been outed, bathroomstallq!
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL Ironhorse......who can aruge with that I guess
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jd45,
Doing good job. :) As usual the only response to the data that you have posted is personal attacks. But, then, if that is all one has...
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well Johnq...hmmm yea that does seems interestng..but then again...her father is a Democrat
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
With that said JohnQ I think that fits right in to the Liberal Democratic base... teenage pregancy...i think it will enchance her popularity as to what the average american faces... and this is one of the,,,.. by the why JohnQ...your not the daddy are you???? lol
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
johnq cannot be the father, he doesn't swing that way.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Being that 2/3 of democrates are sluts... I do not see this as a problem for Palin...I am sur in a couple years or two another current democratic canidates daughters would be ....hmmm no I will not continue with that....it would not be facture... I do think this relavation on Palen's daughter will not be a negative and I think most of the liberal base will releate with her...
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That were I was going RW...I think this will be a positive if you can see that,.....I think most will releate to include many liberals that this is an issue that is delt with,. I am wonder if McCain knew this....
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For some reason I'm thinking about what someone said after 9/11, "we have to be right 100% of the time, the liberals, oops, strike that - terrorists, only have to be right once."
Why do conservatives let liberals put them on the defensive for the things that liberals celabrate. More data that matters jd45 or they will turn the whole debate on to this.
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok, sic em, but with data and logic. It will really PO them but more important it can positively influence reasonable onlookers. Don't let them get us off the road to victory. Palin has already proved she can deal with it so fight on!:)
Posted by gneubeck on September 1, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sarah is a breath of fresh air on our national political scene. Contrast this to how frequently an alarmingly narcissistic Barack Obama, with an obvious sense of entitlement, instinctively tilts his head back; and, with an angry countenance, looks down his nose at the audience! A characteristic which was front and center in Obama's comments about bitter folks in Small Town America who "Cling to their religion." Obama’s inflated sense of his own importance; and, his pretentious demeanor should be of concern to all Americans. Do you recall another infamous politician who exhibited precisely the same characteristic? If you guessed Benito Mussolini, you're right on. As Bill Clinton so aptly said of Obama: "He's simply a typical Chicago thug." America best wake up to the dangers that such a warped individual represents before we let him get anywhere near the White House. It's incredible that the Democrats have nominated Obama, the least qualified Presidential candidate in American history, for the leadership of the free world. May God protect us. Greg Neubeck
Posted by noname on September 1, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No, say it ain't so:
From Dana Bash
CNN
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father, a senior aide to Sen. John McCain confirmed to CNN Tuesday.
Bristol Palin, second from right, holds infant brother Trig at Friday's announcement of their mother's candidacy.
Republican presidential candidate McCain was aware of Bristol Palin's pregnancy before he chose her mother for his running mate, the aide said.
"Senator McCain knew this and felt in no way did it disqualify her from being vice president," said the aide. "Families have difficulties sometimes, and lucky for her she has a supportive family."
The 17-year-old, a senior in high school, is about five months along, in her second trimester, according to the aide.
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I thought you guys where all for forgiving people and stuff...?
You know turn the other cheek. don't cast stones etc.?"
Yes, but we are against suicide!
BTW what about tolerance and diversity? :)
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So, Bristol Palin is pregnant…..so, it seems as if abstinence education is not working in the Palin household, like daughter like mother I guess. Someone that’s already has 5 kids and a pregnant daughter is not what I call a real pragmatist and definitely not the kind of person I would want second in charge of this country.
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well RW, I didn't roll around the floor all sweaty like, playing grab ass with other men like you did at Hillbilly Tech (cue dueling banjos). Squeal like a Pig! Boy, I think we got ourselves a sow!
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
guided,
even though she is more qualified then your 1st choice?
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is just for you RW.....
I bet it brings back memories of ole Hillbilly Tech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-...
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is some more for you, RW.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKvD-4Ix...
I bet the memories are more than you can stand, I bet it makes you want to go "into the closet" and get out your old rassilin tights!
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI RW, I do have a secodary education, University of South Carolina in Columbia....not Hillbilly Tech.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well JohnQ...I will give Obama credit for his latest statement on Palin daughter and backing off .He too was born to an unwed mother and acknowedged that....I think you have to agree that this is something that many familes face....I still do not agree with liberal politics...are you sure JohnQ you did not sneak up there...
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Breaking news! Johnq passed his GED! Congrats bathroomstallq!
misguided; do you still get to vote in San Francisco?
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not finding fault with Bristol Palin, things happen, but it does give little weight to the abstinence only education, something conservative preach all of the time.
BTW RW, I am a well paid GIS Analyst and consultant, I do not want more info for fear of you coming to my place of work and going postal, which I have a feeling you might do some day.
Ironically I'm from SC, Ironhorse, belive or not, there are people of inteligence from this state.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not finding fault with Bristol Palin, things happen, but it does give little weight to the abstinence only education, something conservative preach all of the time.
I do not subscribe to that because that is not realistic approach to issues such as that. Approaches to these issues must be realistic and must be sound...
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
(typo) believe
I do make typos and leave out words though..
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry Guided... I was actually agreeing with you statement it does give little weight to the abstinence only education, I do not agree with that approach
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
misguided, you had another typo; you wrote SC when you meant WV.
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I do not subscribe to that because that is not realistic approach to issues such as that. Approaches to these issues must be realistic and must be sound..."
Big Amen from this corner on that. But, handing out free condums in schools seems just as ridiculous in the opposite direction. On the one hand you are telling a teenager to just ignore the raging hormones in their body or statistically they will forever change their life to the negative. True, but not realistic. On the other you are telling a teenager, hey, it's not your fault, go for it, no problem. Something the average invincible teenager already thinks anyway with the added enforcement of what comes accross the public airwaves. Where is the middle ground? I honestly don't know.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by tc1
Where is the middle ground? I honestly don't know.
I do not know also.. I am not sure something like this can be controled. I do know there are some people that subscribe to getting pregnant so they can simple collect a welfare check. There are many from the left that subscribe to that.
Posted by abitskeptical on September 1, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
johnq-how is a DWI "bust" from 24 yrs ago, of a VP candidate's spouse relevant to ANYTHING here?
BTW, I do not think Obama's admitted use of marijuana & cocaine in his youth are relevant either. Even if he'd been busted, unless it was a felony, it would have not relevance 2 decades later.
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That has always been hard for me to believe. But it is equally hard to come up with any other explanation other then it does increase depenence on the government which some view as a good thing.
Posted by guidedbystewart on September 1, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not sure, but was it not a democrat that said...."And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" Republican like to throw the welfare argument like it is the dems, number one platform, but that is far from the truth.
Posted by tc1 on September 1, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't know about others but my perception is the dems have turned it from help for the genuinely needy, which I support, to a vote buying dependence creating program for themselves.
Posted by jeff61 on September 1, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Get lost Zues... you haven't been around for awhile and all the better....you must have made bail.
Posted by ironhorse on September 1, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tc1: Best quote in history!!!!!!
Hey zues: Jesus on a stick! Zues, I mean Jose, don't support Sara, go with Obama and partial birth abortion and killing those who survive. Hypocrite!
Back to Mexico with you! And please stop turning tricks for meals at the taco wagon!
Posted by WestAshleyMomma on September 1, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW - Not ALL Federal employees are overpaid beauracrats!! I worked for the Federal government for 27 years! I was on a team that created a compliant Accounting system for DoD. We completed it under budget and before the deadline. Most DoD employees work hard and are proud to "serve the fleet".
Posted by WestAshleyMomma on September 1, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh yea, I am a registered Republican. And vote Republican.
Posted by TPathman on September 1, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great insight on why McCain picked Palin even though he knew her daughter was pregnant at
peoplepoliticsandpablum.blogspot.com/
Posted by willie08 on September 1, 2008 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FREE AMY GOODMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
democracynow.org!!!!
Posted by charlestonnative1963 on September 2, 2008 at 6:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FAmily Values is more than telling your child not to have sex. This woman (this family) is a time bomb waiting to happen...the best thing McCAin can hope for is that she slides out this week claiming the need to be there for her family, go back to Alaska and start teaching the younger kids about safe sex. Now there are allegations that Todd has a DUI on his record-Troopergate, etc...This is not a typical Ameican family, its a typical red neck american family-and one that should not be trusted with a 72 year old cancer patient as president of the USA. McCain got lucky enough with the hurricane, he could be even more lucky if she quietly bails out!
Posted by tc1 on September 2, 2008 at 6:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The DUI, yes a bad, was 24 years ago and the trooper thing can best be summed up as doing the right thing and fighting the good ol boys.
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Armed groups of police in the Twin Cities have raided more than a half-a-dozen locations since Friday night in a series of preemptive raids before the Republican convention. The coordinated searches were led by Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher but conducted in coordination with federal agencies.
Five Minnesotan activists are still detained on probable cause holds, which means they can be held for thirty-six hours without charge, excluding weekends and public holidays. According to this timeline, they won’t be released before Wednesday. The sheriff called them "criminal anarchists who are intent on committing criminal acts before and during the Republican National Convention.”
The raids and detentions have targeted activists planning to protest the Republican National Convention, as well as journalists and videographers documenting police actions at protests. Groups directly affected by the raids include Food Not Bombs, the RNC Welcoming Committee, I-Witness Video and Communities United Against Police Brutality.
Democracy Now! spoke to Michelle Gross from Communities United Against Police Brutality on Sunday. She was at the activist convergence space Friday night when it was raided.
MICHELLE GROSS: I was sitting there waiting for a meeting to happen with other legal people. We were working with a kind of a collective of legal people, and we were waiting to have a meeting. And I was literally just sitting there drinking some water and relaxing, when, you know, these Ramsey County Sheriff’s Department people came blazing in, screaming “Get on the floor! Get on the floor!” and waving guns at everybody in their faces.
And they basically—at the time, I quickly thought and opened up my video camera and hit my record button and started recording the scene. Then, because they were, you know, waving guns in my face, of course, I had to hit the floor, but I kept my camera recording the whole time.
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It was really an effort led by the Ramsey County Sheriff to put people in preventative detention. The raids were carried out by Sheriff Bob Fletcher, who had been arguing for months that there needed to be a stronger law enforcement response, and he was being told that wasn’t necessary. And so, he sent his officers in, after doing intelligence gathering and infiltrating these groups.
And then, really what he did is he took common household items that you would find in any home in Minnesota—a hatchet, rope, glass bottles and rags—attached the label “anarchist” to the people who are living in the homes, and then raise this public fear that the anarchists were threatening violence, public disorder. But really, it’s taking a common household item, something you’d find anywhere, calling it an edged weapon and then attacking people for their political beliefs, that then is used to generate this public fear and keep activists detained, as you said, through Wednesday at noon.
democracynow.org
Why don't the Iraqis want our democracy??
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Raiding the homes of protesters IS ILLEGAL!
Unwarranted searches of presumed protesters are illegal!!!!!!
Arresting the press who is covering an event is illegal!!!
PROTESTING IS NOT ILLEGAL! IT IS OUR RIGHT AS AMERICANS!!!!!
democracynow.org!!!!
Democracy or Fascism?
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
CHILDREN BEING HELD AT GUNPOINT IN THEIR OWN HOMES!!!!
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN??????????????
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
PROTESTING IS NOT ILLEGAL!!!!
Mass Preemptive Raids IS ILLEGAL!!
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What is your point john_doe45?
Posted by Lovely_One on September 2, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Bristol and the young man she will marry"
This is one reason the out of wedlock birthrate among whites is much lower than that of blacks. More often than not whites choose to marry the child's father (while pregnant) and black women choose not to. They go on with their pregnancy and have the baby, thereby keeping the same status they had when they got pregnant in the first place. It seems to me that they calculate and post out of wedlock "births", not out of wedlock "pregnancies". This means, they don't count the number of women that got pregnant when they were not married, they count the number that gave birth before getting married. Not starting an argument, just making an observation, as I have seen this more often than not. And feel free to correct me if I am wrong about how they come up with the OOW stats.
Was John_Doe kicked out? If so, why?
Posted by tc1 on September 2, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Was John_Doe kicked out? If so, why?" Hope not. Because he posted data and links to support his position many times?
Posted by willie08 on September 2, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't know why he got kicked out.
Posted by gneubeck on September 2, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's contrast Sarah's de-facto accomplishments to the documented record of Joe Biden. In spite of the fact that Obama's 3:00am VP announcement was a direct, and not-so-subtle, slap at Hillary and her supporters for her Primary criticism of his notorious and painfully evident inexperience, the Clintons are ecstatic over Obama's pick of "Jawbone" Biden as his VP. A man who can speak eloquently ad-nauseam while saying absolutely nothing of substance. Biden, advertised as the brain-trust for the Obama ticket, is the same foreign policy "expert" who told the Israelis that they would have to passively accept a nuclear armed Iran, which of course would eventually guarantee the destruction of their Nation. The same individual who stated that the "Surge" was doomed to failure; and, who promoted the partitioning of Iraq into three separate nations, which would have precipitated a violent Iraqi civil war; and, assured the eventual incorporation of Shia Iraq into Iran. Sounds more like a single digit IQ than an expert! The McCain camp will certainly exploit Biden's former prolific praise of McCain; his multiple assertions that Obama was not sufficiently experienced to assume the Presidency; and, who correctly noted that the White House was not the proper venue for Obama's: "On-The-Job-Training". Obviously Obama was smart enough to recognize that he needed a "Handler" close-by 24/7; and, no-doubt has scheduled Biden for remedial training in diaper changing. It's a good time to invest in "Pampers". It's become apparent that Obama has some insidious need to constantly poke the Clintons in the eyes. One has to wonder if an "angry" Michelle Obama is prompting such responses! However, the Clinton's, astute in the way of politics, will simply re-enforce their base of supporters in preparation for a now certain 2012 bid. Greg Neubeck
Posted by Lovely_One on September 2, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
john_doe, thanks for the advice.
Posted by Test2007 on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good point lovely. I don't believe that you HAVE to get married to someone you got pregnant for. Everyone I know that got married b/c they got pregnant is either divorced or living a long unhappy marriage. I think parents push the marriage idea to legitimize the teenage sex that was happening. The same thing with britney spears sister. Beyonce's sister actually married while she was pregnant. Of course no one realizes that they had a quickie divorce recently too. So instead of having to call him the father of her child or "her boyfriend" they can legitimize it by calling him her future husband. Umm thats not fooling anyone.
It is never a good idea to get married just b/c you are pregnant.
Umm, and it seems that literally 50% of the posts on these boards have been written by john doe. Ridiculous. Do you have a damn job??? obviously not.
Posted by tc1 on September 2, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"It is never a good idea to get married just b/c you are pregnant"
It usually is for the child.
Is jd45 bugging you because he is standing his ground and replying with data and source?
More important, does anyone know when Palin will address the convention? I don't want to miss that.
Posted by Lovely_One on September 2, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, Test. I brought it up because people are always throwing the number of out of wedlock births there are among blacks and no one ever realizes that as a factor. And you are correct, I have friends that got married just because they got pregnant and were divorced by their 21st birthday or are still living in a loveless marriage. Some people don't realize that teenage flings are usually not the real thing.
And, you are so right about Solange (sp) Knowles. She recently got divorced from her child's father. A man she married just to cover up the out of wedlock pregnancy. This is part of the reason the divorce rate is so high.