Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 1:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm reading through this story to try and figure out WHY there shouldn't be sales on Sundays.
If you want to have a law that keeps people from selling something they sell all week long just because it's a particular day of the week, you should have a pretty good reason, right?

So let me see if I understand this. People don't want to sell alcohol on Sundays because "he didn't want to offend anyone who might not think it's right."

Am I missing something here?
I'm very offended by this comment.
What is RIGHT again?

He goes on to say
"I don't see the problem buying beer on Sundays, but others might because it's church day, family day, you know."

It's not MY church day. That's YOUR church daY!
I hardly drink at all, but If I have guests over on the weekend, or my FAMILY comes to visit and I need to make a quick run for some drinks, you Church-Going folks can't stop me! We celebrate Jesus by drinking the "blood of christ", WINE & BEER!

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS WHAT IS RIGHT
DON'T FORCE YOUR RELIGION ME!
IT'S UNAMERICAN!

Posted by dixiegrl98 on July 21, 2008 at 2:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if you haven't noticed(addressing the above commentator)this country was founded a Christian country,you say don't force your comments on people like you...that is exactly what you are doing,the "blood of Christ"as you put it has NEVER been beer,and with the DUI rate south carolina has one less day of alchohol isn't a bad idea.my family is envolved in public service and my husband has scraped so many drunk people off the road and placed people sons and daughters in body bags for so long it's not even funny,this idea is a bad one indeed.

Posted by ForPnC on July 21, 2008 at 3:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"On the other hand, he didn't want to offend anyone who might not think it's right."

Who says it's right or not? The godbots? Once again, someone else's morals being pushed on me. The sunday crowd decides to be nice for an hour a week and thinks everyone should. Try driving past a church as it's letting out. A bunch of rude drivers that cut you off. Yeah, nice folks coming out of that building trying to get to the buffet at Ryan's.

I'll either already be stocked up or I'll go to the Air Base like I always do. I'll pay the MWR fee over taxes any day. So who's losing out here? Not me. I'll have my brew and godbots be damned.

Posted by Slick50 on July 21, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Me too"...if everyone else is doing it, why should we? That is the logic council applies to any issue, which is why the keep adding extra taxes with each council gathering. It's all about the money.

Posted by jimmy1370 on July 21, 2008 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dixiegrl98, should we just outlaw beer all together??

Posted by SonofLiberty on July 21, 2008 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe it is a simple inevitability to sell alcoholic beverages on Sunday. You see, by the legal availability of alcoholic substances during the rest of the week, we can deduce that it is believed to not be a great danger to those living in Dorchester County. Now, the argument against selling alcohol on Sundays then falls on the religious hand. Now, not everyone is a Christian or a devout Christian. I myself imbibe alcohol on Sundays.
So, we want to be fair to both the majority and the minority. The problem is though, how are we hurting people who do not either believe in buying or selling alcohol on Sunday? The answer is, we don't, we give them a choice. If you don't want to sell or purchase alcohol on a Sunday, then do not. Of course, that is only my opinion on the matter.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Ira Deas, another shopper at the store, lives in Moncks Corner, which does not allow Sunday beer sales. Deas, who appeared to be about 30, doesn't think it's a good idea to allow it.

"Me personally, I'm a church- going person. I don't think so," Deas said of allowing beer to be sold on Sundays."

I'm a church-going person too (occassionally, but sometimes "Bedside Baptist" is my place of worship), if you don't want alcohol on Sundays, don't buy it. No biggie. If you can't buy it in Dorchester County, Charleston ain't that far away.

Gawd I miss Verdi...:-)

Posted by rexdp10 on July 21, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While we are at it can we join the 21st century and start to sell Liquor in the grocery store and past 7?? Oh wait it's the south east...I wouldn't want to impose on anyone else so I'll just stand in the corner over here minding my own business while the rest of the U.S. continues to get with the program...(I'm a local, I'm allowed to say this :P)
Oh not to harp on this or anything but if we really want to talk about the founding fathers and what this country was founded on I totally agree that there are Christian principles at the core of the foundation of this country, but I also want you to recognize that the founding fathers themselves were BREWERS/DISTILLERS...they made their own...so don't go get all fanatical!

Posted by Neponset on July 21, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not a biblical scholar, but didn't Jesus turn water into wine at the wedding feast. I say it should be a non-issue for Christians. Sell beer and wine on Sunday for the convience of the consumer and to help out the retail and restaurant trade.

Posted by number1volsfan1 on July 21, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again the liberal antagonists find a stage to vent their vile message.

Posted by DoaMM on July 21, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dixiegrl98, get off your high horse about your family and husband "...scraping so many drunk people off the road and placed people sons and daughters in body bags for so long it's not even funny..."

That excuse is BS about whether to sell beer & wine in a store or not and you know it. If I can't buy my beer at the store to take it home and drink it, then I'm tempted to go to the bar, drink, then drive home. So your decision not to have beer and wine sold on Sundays caused that? Hmmm...

And as far as the "body bags" are concerned, trust me, I've picked up more than you can imagine. Unless YOU are the one "scraping" them off the road, don't say anything to that affect. Otherwise, you're just using someone else's job to justify your beliefs.

Posted by georgebushsux on July 21, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again the "conservative right" will spew their message on why we shouldn't buy or sell alcohol on Sunday. Please spare us your beliefs........

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden; farfignugenspeaks, is a dope smoker, I think she was loking for the make Mary Jane legal article.

It should be left up to the businesses. If they want to sell so be it. If not thats their freedom of choice.

The laws are based on a time in this country when the majority of people believed Sunday to be the Sabbath and so the day should be kept Holy.

It appears that there are few left in this counrty that give a rats arse about God (if He exists), unles of course they need rain, ro lower gas prices or to bless America and the troops...anyway - so put it to a vote. As it is voted so shall it be done!

http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/booklets/sabba...

"Because of their narrow, legalistic view of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week had become a hardship, weighted down with hundreds of rules and regulations about what was and wasn't permissible on that day.

Jesus, however, pointed out the true purpose of the day intended from its inception: God created the day to be a blessing, a time for genuine rest from normal labors rather than an unmanageable burden. It was a time to be enjoyed, not endured. Further, He said the Sabbath was created for all mankind, not just for the nation of Israel."

"...Jesus reforms the Sabbath and restores it to its rightful place as designed in creation, where the Sabbath is made for all mankind and not specifically for Israel, as claimed by normative Judaism... It was God's will at creation that the Sabbath have the purpose of serving mankind for rest and (to) bring blessing."

So, if I want to rest on Sunday with a couple of beers, so be it!

Anyway, the true Sabbath is on a Saturday for the Jew. So we have been screwing that up for a long time!

Posted by Riptide on July 21, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well we got the opinion from the farfallasocialist and others.

Personally I can care less either way. It appears to be in the interest of the pubs in this area to be open for another day of business. I really don’t see the big deal about stocking up on Saturday for a heavy day of drinking on Sunday if that is your thing. It was the community who made that determination before long before you anti-Christian socialists started dictating how we all should live. Since it’s coming up for a vote in the fall, let the citizens make that determination.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 1:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm reading through this story to try and figure out WHY there shouldn't be sales on Sundays.
If you want to have a law that keeps people from selling something they sell all week long just because it's a particular day of the week, you should have a pretty good reason, right?

I can't believe it but I actually agree %100 with dupe smoking farafallspeaks on this one. The county has no business dictating what can be sold on what day.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."- Ben Franklin.

Columbia didn't allow beer and wine sales on sundays up until recently. So we just bought plenty saturday morning to last us for the rest of the weekend.
This law doesn't stop people from drinking, it just stops the sales on that day. Which may or may not help in the long run. Like I said, the alcohol gets bought at some point.

Yes, I'm Christian. But if I die and find out that drinking on Sunday is a sin, then I'll deal with it. Don't make my decisions for me.

And stop your "God sucks." rants. I've never pushed my religion on you, so stop pushing yours on me.

Posted by Early on July 21, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As a Christian, I have no problem with this. Do all that do not buy alcohol on Sunday also do not do any type of work on Sunday's? No mowing the lawn, working in the garden, cleaning the house or shed???? When we have communion, do we not drink alcohol? Do you buy beer on Saturday and drink it on Sunday but you didn't BUY beer on Sunday?

Posted by DoaMM on July 21, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early, I'm confused. There are a lot of double negatives in your message, so I'll just answer your questions to the best of my ability:

On Sunday's I wake up, mix a drink, take a shower, mix another drink, eat a pop tart, take a shot, clean the kitchen, start laundry, take out the dog, then fill the ice chest with food.

I then have a beer, take everything to the pool, maybe vacuum a little between trips to the pool, mix a drink, fall into the pool, then dry off. Mix a new drink (because the other one got watered down in the pool), answer the door to tell the cops it was an accident when I took a whiz on their cruiser, then take another shot.

I tell ya...by 8am I'm ready for a nap...

Posted by Early on July 21, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to have confused you DoaMM, I should have made it simpler for you

Posted by DoaMM on July 21, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No problem...

:)

Posted by theronce on July 21, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Beer, wine, and liquor have been available for Sunday sales in Dorchester County since at least 1966. Back then, a whole host of stuff was illegal to buy on Suday. I do not remember the exact specifics, but paper may have been legal but not pencils...crazy stuff. As I've traveled around this country, I've found that these kind of laws are all over the place.

Posted by ln1959 on July 21, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Before Charleston County allow beer sales on Sunday, buying beer was not a problem. The bootleggers were making all the money and the county was losing out on tax money.

I was one of those Christian that went to church every Sunday, but after church and doing our softball games in the summer, I wonted a cold beer and if I didn't have any at home, I knew where to get it or any other spirits I wonted.

If Summerville would start sales after 12 noon, that should please all sides.

Posted by Early on July 21, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Many counties in SC stores do not open till 1:00 pm. You can go to a super WalMart and buy groceries but you cannot buy a shirt???
This is an individual choice. If it is in your heart that you should not do these things on Sunday's, don't do them.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Early's latest post. It should be an individual choice, so those in dorchester county need to get out and vote for this one.

Will the vote apply just to alcohol or to everything else covered under the blue laws, like clothes?

Posted by DoaMM on July 21, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Also note that there are some counties in the Southeast that continue to be 100% dry, meaning that you cannot buy/sell/drink on any day of the week. Union County, GA allows the drinking of it, but not the selling or buying of it.

The county South of Alabaster, AL will give you a ticket if they see you drinking alcohol anywhere...on your porch, in your yard, on your couch, etc.

Allow the option for purchasing on Sundays. This should be a free country, but every day there are more laws to restrict freedom.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love that I'm reading these articles as I read George Orwell's "1984."

From an economic standpoint, it really makes no sense to not sell alcohol (especially those counties that don't allow it any day of the week.) I mean, having a cutoff time is one thing; that probably helps the bars some. But alcohol is not illegal to sell, and it sucks when you're having the post football party and you run out.
Do they know how much money they'd make during football season?

Posted by summerville_guy on July 21, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know about some of you, but I have this great thing at my house called a refrigerator. It allows me to buy beer on Saturday and keep it cold until Sunday, should I choose to do so. And if I fail to plan ahead, it is okay - I am not an alcoholic who has to go get beer on the slightest whim. So it's not a big deal to me either way.

Posted by ptmama73 on July 21, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You can buy beer inside Summerville Town Limits on Sunday. Why should Dorchester County NOT allow Sunday sales? They are only shorting themselves while the Town of Summerville collects tax revenue.

Posted by common_sense on July 21, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Allow 24-7-365 sales of beer & wine in grocery stores.

Allow the red dots to sell liquor Mon thru Sat until 11PM or Midnight.

Here's the kicker: Raise the taxes on all alcohol by 5-10%.

Everyone will be happy: Easier access to alcohol, and more money in state coffers. Duh.

I'm just sayin...

Posted by Neponset on July 21, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know about Dork.. , but in Mt. P. in the old days you always had the Ocean Highway Grill - I may be mistaken, but I believe it was called the Peanut Shop and there was a drive up window in the back - mostly 1/2 pints of brown high octane stuff. And of course there was the store on East Bay.

Posted by ColdBeer on July 21, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was walking in the dirt along the side of Hwy 78. I take this walk frequently... unwinding, thinking about the days events. Often during these walks, my god joins me. We discuss politics, fishing, sports and such. Our footprints run side by side in the Carolina dust. One day, I realized that when ever I have a bad day, my god does not join me. My footsteps stood lonely in the setting afternoon sun. I asked my god, one day, “Why is it that when I have a particularly bad day, you abandoned me, leaving me to languish on my own?” He replied, “My son, on the days that cause you to struggle, I do not abandon you. I simply cross the street so that I can buy a cold 18 pack on Bud Light on Sunday. Nothing helps end a rough day like a nice cold beer..."

The God of Beer is oh so thoughtful.

Bottom line, if you don’t sell beer on Sundays, the next county over is not far away. Someone else is making money you could have made and the beer is still being purchased.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What if county governments decided to past a law that does not allow gas sales on Sunday.

"I don't know about some of you, but I have this great thing on my car called a gas tank. It allows me to buy gas on Saturday and have some until Sunday".

How much sense does this make now? People traveling through the state could not buy gas; visitors to the area can not get a beer or something in a restaurant on Sunday. Makes a lot of sense.....

Jesus is not here trying to buy beer on Sunday and if he was here then he is probably here illegaly

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Simple, as others have stated, if your don't think buying beer on Sunday is right for you, don't buy it! And the same goes for the merchants!

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I like the idea of getting a beer for lunch on sundays.

I think the residents need to vote on whether or not it can be allowed and then the individual businesses can decide what to do from there. Don't sell, and attract patrons that are against alcohol on sundays but potentially lose money on those wanting to drink. or sell, and have the reverse affect.

I'm not sure I get the jesus being here illegally comment. it's early on a monday.

Posted by ColdBeer on July 21, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm guessing that jeff was pointing out that jesus is not a legal resident of the United States :)

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The issue is not why should we be allowed to buy beer on Sunday. It is why should we not. In a free society, the burden of justification must always rest on those wishing to limit a freedom, not the other way around.

And Gadsden, freedom OF religion is also freedom FROM religion.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for clearing that up, CB. Wonder how the greencard thing would work for Jesus...

Honestly, this article makes me want a drink. It's still morning, so maybe a momosa.
And has anyone ever noticed the taste difference between canned and bottled beer? or am I imagining things?

Posted by tmi on July 21, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said ColdBeer!

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not suppose to get it. Just as I do not get what jesus has to do with the beer on Sunday issue or why he was brought into it.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, now that makes sense. I don't either. I see it, as most other people do here, as a personal choice. I'm not atheist, but I don't see a problem with having a drink on a sunday.

And it's not just the alcohol that gets me. It's that under these blue laws, you can't get anything except food until a certain time. I remember having to go to walmart before 1:30 that afternoon and everything was roped off. It never made any sense to me.

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coldbeer, I had a cousin who had a sister whos husband new a gay horse. the horse had a tatoo of the rebel flag on its arse, and smoked herb because he couldnt buy beer on sunday.

When the horse tried to get off the herb by going to a methadone clinic, it ODed on the methadone.

Oh, did I mention that the horse was a white horse?

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CB sed:

"“My son, on the days that cause you to struggle, I do not abandon you. I simply cross the street so that I can buy a cold 18 pack on Bud Light on Sunday. Nothing helps end a rough day like a nice cold beer..."

The God of Beer is oh so thoughtful."

Lmao!! Classic!

Posted by drp7773 on July 21, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets see I can go to Applebees on Sunday and get drunk as a skunk and drive home, but I cant go to the store and buy a six pack and drive home and drink where I am safe and not on the road....mmmmmmmm choices choices

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Cold Beer that was my point, I like to bring in comments for past posts that can somehow be applied in an offbeat way to the current discussion. Some get, some don't and not always successful.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

farafallspeaks is rubbing off on you,, better be careful.

I want to know why the P&C displays this nice tall cold glass of beer in such a dark background portraying it as evil or something. I think this is unfair to the beer, why not display it in a more festive environment as it should be.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa, you and i agree on the same thing. (you are after all an alcoholic)
why are you name calling again?
have you taken your medication this morning??
don't start something you can't finish.
what is your problem?

funny, as i'm writing this, i'm listening to johnny cash sing "he turned the body into wine" lol!!!!

FYI, I DO believe in God, and my God says drinking wine is just fine on Sundays.
I live downtown, so driving while drinking is not an issue with me. Besides, laws are NOT going to stop people from doing what they do. They will only make them go somewhere ELSE to buy alcohol, thus taking away money and business from YOUR neighborhood.

Posted by ColdBeer on July 21, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nikkip, bottled beer and canned beer, of the exact same brand, taste significantly different (as does draft). It's not your imagination. While I prefer the taste of bottled beer, I usually buy cans as I don't like having glass bottles on my boat.

The "no selling beer on Sunday law" is a hold over from another era. No one that wants to drink beer on Sunday is going without. You either buy it earlier in the week, or you drive to the next county to buy it on Sunday. The law does absolutely nothing but hurt local merchants that want to sell beer on Sunday.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Unless you live in Columbia, in which case you're driving to Aiken at odd hours of the night.
See how unsafe that is?

Jeff- it's not evil. It's sexy. Just look at that amber color on the black background, so irresistable. Well, that and I have a feeling that this article leans a little more to one position. Alot of "I don't agree" statements and references to "family day." but no "what would it hurt?" questions.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

coldbeer, good point.

Mindbath, VERY good point.

See? sometimes we can find issues we agree on.

Also, CB, draft is always better when out in public, because most venues don't recycle the bottles and cans.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mmmm they should put recycling bins in bars. I'm not even kidding. That's alot of waste right there, and just puts out a good public image.

But I seem to prefer the taste out of a can, and I'm not sure when the last time was I had draught beer. Ew, saying I like the taste from a can makes me feel like I should be sitting in a lawn chair next to an inflatable kiddie pool right now.

And once again, it goes to show that alcohol is the great equalizer (Unless you're hammered and beligerent.) Everyone seems to get along better with discussing beer.

Posted by bigmikekul on July 21, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets clear up a few misconceptions here:
1) Freedom of religion, by it's definition, also means freedom 'from' religion. It means the gov't may not pass laws favoring one religion's beliefs or institutions.
2) The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation, it was a nation founded by (mostly) Christians- big distinction. Our founding fathers went out of their way to assure that the Church had no role in the new government, and on the other side of the coin, that the government could have no role in Church affairs.
3) Just because you can buy something on Saturday to be prepared for Sunday is no justification for making Sunday sales illegal.
4)"Blue Laws", such as limiting alcohol sales on Sundays, have never been construed as "religious laws", instead they are supposed to reflect "community standards".

It is at point number four that the 'no liquor on Sunday' argument loses it's good standing. When the law was passed, nothing was sold on Sundays and even slaves had the day off.
As we have moved towards a 24/7 society, our community standards have changed. It's possible now to:
Continue to stuff your face with burgers and milkshakes on Sunday;
Gas up your Suburban on Sunday;
Buy a new Suburban on Sunday;
Send your kids off to work at a Burger joint on Sunday;
Look at porn on your computer on Sunday;
Buy car insurance on Sunday.
Be a minimum wage slave to corporate America on Sunday;

The Sunday alcohol ban is an anachronism, the last vestige of a time that is no more. It has lasted solely because there was a law written about it. Anyone who truly believes that it is still relevant should be picketing any non-church or non-emergency business that operates on Sunday. Community standards have changed and that should be applied to alcohol laws the same way it's been with Walmart, fast food restaurants, and gas stations.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, I may be wrong, but i thought "Agnostic" meant you don't know what to believe.

I think everyone who posts here generalizes too much, and also stereotypes too much. Not all religious people are conservatives, not all conservatives are religious. Not all religious people are Christians, and not all Christians are religious (me). Not all pot smokers are pot heads, and not all people who drink alcohol are alcoholics.

Also, I suggest some of you look up the definition of "THE LEFT. I don't think some of you even knows what it means.
The rebel flag was based on a LEFTIST political standpoint. Yet, most southerners are right wing conservatives.

Posted by lou9 on July 21, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't live in Dorchester County but I hope they allow the citizens to choose whether or not they want the option to buy a cold one on Sunday. If you don't think you should drink on Sunday you will still have that option. I just hope they don't go stupid like Charleston and not allow you to enjoy a smoke with your drink.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I still don't see the synonym of "from" and "of."
We have freedom of religion. You are free to practice whatever religion you please (as long as it doesn't kill anyone or something that far out of reason.) You may even stand on a street corner and preach whatever you believe, whether that be Christianity, Scientology, or the belief in Manbearpig.

Freedom "from" religion implies that you would be able to go about your daily life without ever being exposed to any sort of belief system. For example, stores could not wish you Merry Christmas, no one could say "God bless you" when someone sneezes, and even atheists couldn't proclaim that they don't believe in any kind of higher power. Because this would, in some way, expose you to someone's religious beliefs.

Where did I go off track on that one?

Posted by jbbsc on July 21, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Conservatives use to believe in less government in peoples lives, a noble concept. It seems now, they are more worried about offending the religious right, and getting more involved in peoples lives. The economy is terrible, if you don't believe it, go to Myrtle Beach where hotels are not even half full in July! Small businesses in all counties need all the help they can get, and limiting beer sales helps no one! Oh maybe it helps Jesus, since the eighth commandment is though shall not drink on the Sabbath.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought the 8th was "thou shalt not steal."

Don't blame Jesus for this.
1) the Ten Commandments were laid out well before Christianity.
2) He didn't make the law, man did. Blame them.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 21, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The vote needs to be taken for the whole state, not just counties. As was stated here by a few, can’t buy in one county go to the next? That county lost the revenue. There are a lot of counties in SC and allot that are close to one another. People will buy beer or wine on any given day, so you can’t stop that unless you stop the sale of it every where.
Before the lottery was here people went to Ga. and got their tickets. Before NC got the lottery they went to Va. or SC. people will do what they want and laws will not stop them. As we see here in the P&C everyday

Posted by zoomru on July 21, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Commentors...The REAL story here is the TRUE colors of the REPORTER, EDITOR and Dorchester Officials.

What PIMPS......!!

They run this article on the same day that Mr. Reese Joye's
passing RUNS. What outright ...un-adulterated ..COWARDLY...SHAME!! For someone who fought so hard on DUI cases? I am all for freedom; BUT show a "little" dignity. No Scruples what-so-ever! NONE!
DAVE MUNDAY....do you ever look in the MIRROR?? Dorchester Officials.....can't you postpone this meeting at least a day or so??
These people's action are no better than Demints and Graham-nista's over the KERSHAW "FIASCO"!!!!

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/4664...

Vote pimping 101......WHAT SHAME!!!

Un-freakin-believable!!!!

WHAT...MORONS!! Lindse' and Deminto??? What are you two Porking over???

JIM....you turn your back?? You ..SON need to grab Graham-nista by the NOSE!! My NIBLETS !!

500K for a STUDY??? We here in SOuth Carolina don't need any HANDOUTS!! Voters need to study you 2 HOOTS....!

Why didn't you just get Mr. Sanford to declare it a SC PARK?? Have the Civil War Re-inactors raise money for the Repair and what-not!! This is nothing but a Vote pimping scheme!! "JIM" .....Spock would not be Proud. Highly ill-logical..!!

And YOU ..Mr. Grahamnesty!! Swooping in with your SC CAPE! You don't fool me!! FESTUS !! I see right thru your GUNSMOKE..!

Mr. MONK.....There are proud people in Kershaw! Who needs DC to declare a PARK?? At least Barbie-Q the PORK and porkers for pulling this STUNT.!

YOU ...Mr. Monk...of all people know that Graham is a dead man walking!! Who is this guy dressed in costume?? Does he know the ramifications???

You mean to tell me that these so called Kershaw leaders have known for years that this would bring in "Millions" of tourism dollars and they were waiting on 500k of DC money?? You mean there is not a LOCAL banker that can see the value in this "STUDY"?? How many years have they been WAITING??? What were these leaders doing in the mean time....re-election CAMPAIGNING?? They should have been marketing, painting, sanding, nailing, mowing, and "MAPPING" out the BATTLE FIELD..!! (Fist POUNDS!)

Leaders of KERSHAW...ARE YOU LAZY ????

This article is UN-becoming ...and quite frankly makes you leaders look like your holding absolutely nothing!!

Get Busy....!!!

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, did you read that before you posted? I can't belive you called me "junior" while going for the dumbest post of the week.

Freedom FROM religion means you do not HAVE to follow a specific religion - or any religion at all. Hindus say no beef, Muslims say no pork, Mormons say no caffeine, Baptists say no beer. But the law says I am free FROM those religious beliefs. I can have a Coke because I am free FROM being a Mormon. I can also say, as Agnostics do, that there is no proof that there is or is not a god. That it a freedom from many religions.

The law would not guarantee me freedom OF a religion such as Christianity, if it did not also free me FROM a requirement to be an Atheist (a "religion" as you put it) or a Hindu for that matter.

This simple concept is a very important principle to religious people as well. Sorry it is beyond your grasp. Please let someone more mentally capable carry the torch for Christians.

Posted by ColdBeer on July 21, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally, I don't like draft beer. The only "draft" I've ever had that hit me as tasting really good was one of those Heineken (sp?) mini-kegs. I won one at a News Years Eve party. I waited until Sunday to drink it :)

Gadsden, agnostic means that you don't know if any gods exist or not. It's not a belief or disbelief. It's not a religion. It's completely different than saying one is an atheist. Personally, I'm an apathetic agnostic, which simply means I don't know if a god exist or not, and I don't care if one exist or not. My only real belief when it comes to religion is that all of the current organized religious churches are bad news. The only time I even discuss religion is when someone assumes that their beliefs apply to me (which, BTW, happens daily on here).

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to concur with everything ColdBeer has posted on this topic. I like him I am an agnostic, I don’t know if any god exists or not, and like him I could care less.
Really I could have not said it any better.

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Civics class in session...

First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Clause 1 (Establishment Clause):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
= Freedom FROM religion

Clause 2 (Free Exercise Clause):
"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
= Freedom OF religion

You some sort of masochist? Is that a religion?

Posted by Early on July 21, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Best gift idea for a beer drinker,,,,, a can crusher. Get them at Harbour Freight Tools for $12

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, I definitely chose to be an agnostic and never claimed I didn't.

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

English class in session...

Freedom from religion means I am free FROM religion, it does not mean I am not allowed to practice religion.

I have freedom FROM skydiving - I do not HAVE to skydive.
I have freedom OF skydiving - I am ALLOWED to skydive.

Post away!

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by zoomru on July 21, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think you should stick to Trash Burning and SKYTRAN issues. I doubt there was a conspiracy at the P&C to publish the beer sale story and announcing the death of Mr. Joyce. Should every story be screened to see if it is connected to someone death? It appears they were gathering information for this article on Friday and probably had every intention or printing on Monday. My. Joyce just happened to die over the weekend. What compelled the P&C to publish the Stephie story when they did?

You totally lost me with the rest of your rant. Just think SKYTRAN Zoomru SKYTRAN……..

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, I saw my brother this weekend. Unlike me, he is a militant atheist. He told be he been working on this sight called www.agnostee.com.
I have to warn you Christians might find it offensive, but I think it is hilarious!
I even gave him an idea...having a kid with sombrero on with a piggy bank with the caption "Jesus Saves".

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're catching on, Gadsden, if slowly. We came to this country to gain freedom FROM the Church of England...

And when you quote Geddy Lee you should know he was mocking the religious fearmongering idea that if you don't choose you still have made a choice.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry.. the sight address is actually
www.agnostees.com, I left of the s by accident.
Again, this may offend christians, so if you are easily offended, don't click onto the sight.

Posted by ColdBeer on July 21, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Gadsden on July 21, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CB sez: "Gadsden, agnostic means that you don't know if any gods exist or not. It's not a belief or disbelief."

Exactly - an agnostic BELIEVES he does not know one way or the other.

Semantics... I know for a fact that I don't know if any gods exist or not. I don't believe that I don't know... I KNOW that I don't know. You're using “belief” and “believes” interchangeably, and in this case you can't do that.

Reminds me of a song by Derrick and the Slammers (local bar band central Florida. The song is called "You've got some big-o hooters" and the lines goes "Everyone has got to have something to believe in.. I believe I'll have another beer!" GREAT bar band.. funny and talented.. if you ever get a chance to catch them I highly recommend it.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff sed: "I want to know why the P&C displays this nice tall cold glass of beer in such a dark background portraying it as evil or something."

Um..it's IS evil!! Trust me! Lol

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry "It IS evil"...hit post comment too fast...

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe that I will believe what I believe and you can believe what you believe. I cannot ever make you believe what I believe in the same way that I believe it because it is mine to believe. Just the same as you cannot bake me believe what you believe in the way you believe it because it is yours to believe. I believe that right now I have thoroughly confused at least one person with my post and they are not sure what they believe to be true therein.

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, keep still! We are talking about religion as it relates to the LAW. Not some obscure semantic philosophical discussion on whether a person can truly be non-religious.

The Constitution guarantees us freedom of and from religion. It does weigh in at all on your silly point. The law says, if I can somehow find a way to accomplish it, I am free from religion.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

*bake sould be *make in my last post.

I believe that I should have proofed that a little more closely before hitting "post comment"!

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely, we're excused, we have preggie brain.

Gadsden, bring me some fried muschrooms please, kthanks!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tammie, please don't reference the preggie brain. My brain is so fried nowadays, I am forgetting people's names that I have been working with for two years now. And let's not talk about the kids' names! All of them are now accustomed to answering to "Yeah, You" when I can't recall who is who. And I don't even drink beer. Yesterday was Sunday.

Sorry, about that last random sentences, I needed to interject beer in their somehow since the article is about the sale of beer on Sundays.

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

farfallaspeaks - "tripsa, you and i agree on the same thing. (you are after all an alcoholic)"

Admitting to drinking some beers and being an alcoholic is a far srtetch. But thanks for demonstrating your true level of compassion towards those that are really addicted to alcohol

- you on the other hand are a phoney and an admited user of illegal drugs. and as for me I don't start something I can't finish. most of the posters know you for what you are. a pot-head. So i finished you long ago.

You are just a loser trying to fit into any discussion you can. The only thing you really fit into is your very delusional world of the stoner.

In the words of the great Hugo El Dorado "BITE ME"

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My last post should have read "does NOT weigh in."

I'm glad lunch finally came. It gave me the chance to exercise my freedom from Zaxby's. I went somewhere else. Pretty sure I didn't have a tail. I suppose I could have even gone nowhere at all. What a country!

As I ate my lunch, I BELIEVED my car was sitting outside in the parking lot. Let's not make a religion out of it. And, by the way, many agnostics are not devout at all so it's quite a stretch to call that a religion. But to each his own. All the while, the Constitution sits idly by, completely indifferent to whether I am the high priest of cars in parking lots...

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to those who thought we were off-topic. I assure you we were not. Sunday beer sales has everything to do with freedom from religion. Religion is the primary argument when it comes to most laws pertaining to Sunday.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy crap, I go to an intern lunch and come back to a multitude of posts.
Can we go back to talking about beer again? Everyone was much happier then.

tripsa, don't acknowledge the troll. Trying to make it see reason free of it's own hypocrisy is like nailing jello to a tree.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 21, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely_one are you trying to confuse and old lady? I do believe you believe you are trying to make me believe you are don’t you believe?

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry, niKKip,

dont feed the troll
dont feed the troll
dont feed the dope-smoking troll.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Granny, now you just confused me with all that damn punctuation. Lol

You know Lovely has preggie brain. She believes she typed that. I think.

Anyways, beer is evil.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whaaaaatt... Aw, that's just a generalization that beer is evil. Maybe some beers are (We call them "Imports") or some beer drinkers haven't used moderation or self-control, but beer has done many great things in history.
Like keep the Irish from taking over the world.
Or provided a healthier alternative for the college student, instead of drinking that fattening milk.
And let's not go into how "beer goggles" have benefitted people.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nikki, everyone on here knows I blame cold beer (not the poster) for my pregnancy. Red Stripe in particular. That's just evil.

I used to drink Corona when I was a beer drinker. Before I got pregnant, tequila, Absolut, Verdi (*drool*) and Bacardi rum were my frequent Friday and Saturday night buddies. Now it's just water, juice, and an occasional Jagerfrosty, minus the Jager. Don't want my baby coming out with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome!

Posted by grannyofsix on July 21, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BEER is Yuckie, that’s the drink not the man.CB is ever yuckie. Unless, I don’t agree with him. And I don’t want Gadsden to have to grade me on every little word .which now I am sure he? she? Sorry Gadsden I am not sure I don’t mean to insult guess I don’t read or haven’t read where you state either

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that's one thing that scares me about every having kids, and why I'll be near 30 when/if I do. I don't want to go 9 months plus time for breatfeeding away from the alcohol.
and why am I afraid to know why beer's blamed for a pregnancy? o.O

Um, I have to ask. what's a jagerfrosty? specifically, how do you make them and what do they end up tasting like?

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I blame beer because that's the last thing her dad drank the night it happened. That's why it's the nectar of the devil. :-) I keed I keed. I joke about it but I feel truly blessed to be able to be a mother.

A Jagerfrosty is something I made up when MissPriss was talking about her Jagermeisters. I just started calling my frosty Jagerfrosty. Although mixed with a lil splash of Kahlua, 'tis quite yummies.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 21, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oops that was NEVER not ever.

Posted by MissPriss on July 21, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Tammie, dont get me started on jagerbombs! I love them!

I'm all for buying alcohol on Sundays....if it bothers you then you dont have to buy it.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mmm... maybe a coffee ice cream mixed with chocolate and any variety of bailey's or kahlua would work.
I'm still trying to find ways to get bailey's into work to drink with my coffee. I'm fairly confident I could actually just keep a bottle in my desk and no one would know.

aaah I can't wait until I get to the point in my life where I will see kids as a blessing. I think I'm too young for that right now. the idea of having kids just scares the mess outta me.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To all you making negative comments on beer, lets agree that these are just your opinions of beer and not facts. Tammie, I think it is very unfair for you to blame your pregancy on beer. Beer, according to some popular belief is not the leading cause of pregancy. I think beer is getting a bad rap and some comments are unjust.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have any of you guys had the new ice tea vodka, it is made in SC and it is not actually bad.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

guided- yeah, it's pretty good. A friend of mine goes through that like water. And we should all support out local businesses, especially in the way of good liquor. The wine made outside of charleston, however. Bleh.

jeff- she was kidding.

"beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 21, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have any of you guys had the new ice tea vodka, it is made in SC and it is not actually bad. www.fireflyvodka.com

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nikki, this is my first and trust me, the thought of being a mother overwhelms me on a regular basis! But I think I'll do a great job. I'm thankful I have a great support system also. I told my mom to enjoy this baby, factory's closed after this one! :-)

Back on topic, BEER IS EVIL AND TRIPSA IS A FRANZIAHEAD! :-)

Posted by grannyofsix on July 21, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Jeff, it’s just my opinion not fact. I can’t stand the taste of beer no when I do drink its jack Daniels straight up.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 21, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa,
I have shown a lot of compassion towards you.
I feel sorry for you. I think you are very lonely and I ASSUME you are an alcoholic who is heavily medicated.
I have given you a lot of helpful advice, such as going to get some fresh air, socializing with REAL people, as opposed to attacking anyone who comments differently than you on this website.
You can call me names all day, but it doesn't make you any less of a LOSER.
I'm going to comment what I want, and I will share my experiences with people who care.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE ME, SKIP OVER MY COMMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I DO TO YOURS...

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Blah blah blah Jeff...if you had been on here long enough, you'd recognize humor when you see it! I could give a rats behind less about beer right now, I can't drink it!

Posted by MissPriss on July 21, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That firefly vodka is good! We mix it with a little lemonade and/or sour mix instead of the recommended water. Either way is good!

I have been saying for years that I do not want kids. Even my mother will tell you I'm not the motherly type. Maybe I will grow out of that but I think I'm already pretty much set in my ways.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff- she was kidding.

nikkip,,,, I know she is and so was I...

I am being sarcastic with all this talk of religion and Jesus and stuff. The bottom line here is there should be no law the restricts the sale of any product and any day. Just don't force your choice or belief in something to affect my ability to buy a product only on certain days.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wasn't speaking on religion and Jesus and communion and all that fun stuff, I don't get into those types of convos. I don't want to be accused of trying to convert people, you believe what you want and I shall do the same. And I dare not stand on a high horse and condemn anyone to hell because of what they do, that is not my m.o. on here. If being a Christian, atheist, agnostic, noodlehead, Floundertyrian, or whatever makes you happy, go for it.

Back to my rant...Beer is evil.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Granny, I believe that I didn't mean to make you believe that you are confused, I think. And like you, I hate beer. I believe it is one of the most disgusting drinks in the world.

Now, nikki, as far as having to give up alcohol for 9 months plus the breast feeding time, I am pregnant for the 5th time and I have breast fed all of my children and plan to do so with this one. So, you do the math as to how many years I have had to go without enjoying my Segrams and Jagermeisters (or jagerbombs as most people know them).

Posted by jmw9 on July 21, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How 'bout this point of view.......

When you really break it down, it all comes down to responsibility. A lot of the things we complain about being regulated or taken out of our control is done so because people can't be responsible. Alchohol, lottery, the speed limit, smoking.......there are so many selfish people that can't do these things without doing them in excess that the government has a public duty to step in and regulate it - which not only effects the irresponsible but the responsible too.

In this country we are spoiled by our liberties and desensitized to the excesses we live in.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet if Jesus showed up in Summerville on Sunday he would want the option to buy some beer.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden had sed:"Now Cisco, MD 20/20 and Thunderbird -- that shiat is devil piss EVIL!"

*dies laughing* Hell yeah..but, I grew up on moonshine..:-S

Remember Wild Irish Rose? Hell, I can take you back further, remember when Billy Dee Williams was the spokesman for Champale?

Bwahahaha!!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gee Gadsden, thanks. Now when I finally get to drink it again in a year, I will have that taste in my mind, thereby transferring to my taste buds.

*runs off in tears

"Thanks for ruining my good thing Gadsden. I hate you!" Lol! (j/k of course)

Posted by dixiegrl98 on July 21, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yes,when I say scraped off the road it's not an lie,just last month a young boy who had just gotten his license was thrown out of his truck and as the truck flipped past him it took halve of his face off and smashed him into the road,this same itnersection has had billboards taken out along with two light poles in the past three months,all of them had just left the bars down the street.high horse or not these are the kind of facts you get when you drive drunk.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

these all sound like disgusting alcohols.

lovely, and now you see why I'd be afraid to put myself through that.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We used to call Cisco "Liquid crack" when I was in school. Then St. Ides (Crooked I) came along, THAT was nasty! You might as well drink diesel fuel!

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tammie -"... TRIPSA IS A FRANZIAHEAD..."

NOT! When it comes sown to it, its either Stella & Bass Pale Ale, if I go domestic, its usually MGD for the hard stuff - Single malt Scotch. As i have posted before.

But, I cant drink the hard stuff anymore. Getting to old.

When I go out to dinner I will have a scotch or two. but thats it.

If you want to try a nice smooth drink, get some http://www.bombaysapphire.com/

...Holy crap, that stuff is smooth, and it makes me feel so good I want to hug guided!

I always wanna hug tammie! and maybe gadsden! not CB though, the wet tongue in the ear is to much!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki, I do see it and now I am sobbing softly at my desk at the thought of it!

Posted by dixiegrl98 on July 21, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i was responding to something that doamm had said earlier

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But right now you can not get any of this stuff on Sunday in Summerville.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 21, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article has nothing to do with DUIs.It's a stupid assumption that anyone who buys alcohol on Sundays will get blasted and drive.Talk about turning a reasonable debate into something dramatic.Its nice that residents of Dorchester County will get to decide for themselves.I don't see what the big deal is.Whats the difference in the alcohol you buy on Saturday vs the alcohol you buy on Sunday?None.You can still consume the alcohol on Sunday.

Posted by crankyyankee on July 21, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone ever noticed that the bible belt and the Country's highest illiteracy rate are identically over laid? Don't you find that odd?

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok, now I will toss this in here;

THE 84 YEAR-OLD BRIDE

The local news station was interviewing an 84-year old lady because she had just gotten married - for the fourth time.

The interviewer then asked her questions about her life, about what it felt like to be married again at 84, and then about her new husband's occupation. "He's a funeral director she answered".

"Interesting the newsman thought".

He then asked her if she wouldn't mind telling him about her first three husbands and what they did for a living.

She paused for a few moments needing to reflect on all those years.

After a short time a smile came to her face and she answered proudly, explaining that she first married a banker when she was in her early 20's, a circus ringmaster when she was in her 40's, later on a preacher when in her 60's, and now in her 80's a funeral director.

The interviewer looked at her quite astonished and asked her why she had married four men with such diverse carreers.

"Easy son", she smiled. I married one for the money.... two for the show.... three to get ready..... and four to go!

As the AC/DC (thats a Rock band farfignugenspeaks, not a life style choice) anyway, as the AC/DC song goes "Have A Drink on Me"

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by crankyyankee on July 21, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone ever noticed that the bible belt and the Country's highest illiteracy

But MY KID CAN READ

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Damn it, jeff, you beat me to it!!!

*running away crying again!

It's just not fair!

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lmao @ Jeff

Tripsa sed:"I always wanna hug tammie! and maybe gadsden! not CB though, the wet tongue in the ear is to much!"

Bwahaha!!

Posted by DoaMM on July 21, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, that was me saying that waaaaaay early in this string, unless CB is stealing my text...

And I agree. We've got way to many laws for this to be a "free" country.

Just remember, when alcohol is outlawed, only alcoholics will have laws...no, wait...ummm...

(Where's my pistol? I gotta clean it right after I finish this beer...)

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden - "tripsa: Scotch is definitely an acquired taste - I use it for parts cleaner."

Dude, you are not right! I cnat afford it half the time and your cleaning parts with it!? This is Outrageous!

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eddie Brodsky, a young criminal justice student at Trident Technical College who lives nearby, was buying two six-packs of beer, enough to last him through the weekend.

Two six packs of beer.....Yea right.....

Posted by ChrisPia on July 21, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsen,FYI Per 100,000 Inhabitants. Many SC Cities are on top in Violent crimes......Beer Sales on Sundays in NY Start after 12 noon.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Better get the drunken shootin' in while it's still legal.

Why do Yankee's feel the need to correct our way of life down here?
I was doing a crossword puzzle earlier and the clue was "Things offensive to yankees."
Possible answers:
manners
common decency
discipline
religion

Lovely, just think of all the non-pregnant fun you can have later! Like drinking, or you know, the whole "baby" thing.

Posted by Tammie on July 21, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with Jeff with dude from TTC, I call b.s. Two six packs is not going to last a TTC Criminal Justice major a weekend. Maybe a few hours...Maybe.

Posted by simon_birch on July 21, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am amazed at the ire that this one has brought and the lack of understanding about the church and state and who Jesus is..NOT WAS people...IS. For one thing the water He changed into wine, was not the wine that has an alcohol content. Why would making unlawful to sell on Sunday have anything to do with church? It is just so strange that people will take a stand against the church when they have nothing to say about taking human life at birth! But satan is very good at what he does and getting his agenda done.Too bad Christians aren't as commited to Christ cause. We would still have prayer in school and we would have alot less children running wild and in jail and on drugs.It all began to go down hill when we legislated church our of school home.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He makes no mention of the type of beer so I will just assume it is a typical standard import and call B.S

Posted by LANDLORD on July 21, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not being able to buy beer on Sundays is totally and completely 100% ridiculous if you ask me. Who cares when you buy it. Most of the people who drink on Sundays in these areas pick up the drinks on Saturday. This law is just made to piss off the few of us who were too drunk to remember on Saturday.

Also something I never understood, Marijuana is illegal? Seriously? Why? But you can be a hot headed 21 yr old and get tanked from liquor and beer? What do you think is the average amount of people that die per year and alcohol related accidents? TOOO MANY!

How many people have you heard die from smoking Weed? NONE!

Wow....our laws really make a whole lot of sense.

Posted by greyrider on July 21, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speaking as a Christian, I don't drink at all. I think alcohol is the single most destructive drug in America and we would all be better off if no one drank at all. But that is just my opinion. I don't think the government should be involved. Outlawing it one day a week isn't/won't change a thing.

Posted by jeff61 on July 21, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by LANDLORD on July 21, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many people have you heard die from smoking Weed?

P&C
Man found dead behind drugstore
Monday, July 21, 2008

A man apparently who smoked to much weed hanged himself near the Dumpsters behind a North Charleston drugstore Sunday, police said.

Posted by ChrisPia on July 21, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Violent Crime Index for 2006
NY-434.9
NJ-351.6
MI-562.4 Northern States
IL-541.6

Ga-471.0
NC-475.6
TN-760.2 Southern States
SC-765.5

Sc Population 4,321,000 359 Murders Ny Pop 19,300,000 921 Murders
Sc Rapes 1,762
NY rapes 3,169

NY has 5 times the Amount of People

Posted by LANDLORD on July 21, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JEFF61,

Are you flipping kidding me? Have you even smoked marijuana. You must be really ignorant. Smoking weed will never drive a man to kill himself. Who ever that was obviously killed themself for other reasons. Like maybe depression and a terrible life. I'm talking about overdoses? Car accidents? No one gets high and ODs. No one gets high and wrecks into a family of 5 and kills them all. Find multiple stories like that the way you do alchohol and then you can argue your case. Until then, please shut your mouth.

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well golly, chrispia, sounds like it's way too unsafe here for you. You should probably move to NY.

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by simon_birch on July 21, 2008 at 3:20 p.m.
Why would making unlawful to sell on Sunday have anything to do with church?

Well, Simon, then I suppose you won't mind if we allow Sunday beer sales and get rid of Tuesday beer sales.

Posted by ChrisPia on July 21, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Gadsden on July 21, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stankeeyankee:

Have you ever noticed that the highest welfare percentages and the highest violent crimes rates are always in nothern cities -- oh, and they have also been run by democrats for decades.

Examples in no particular order:

1. Detroit
2. Philly
3. DC
4. NYC
5. Chicago
Nikki P. Just Correcting a Miconception That was stated.Sorry To Disappoint you But I'm staying.

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

simon_birch - Read my earlier post.

You are correct as far as I understand scripture on the wine or juice debate.

http://www.christianlibrary.org/authors/...

- "The word translated "wine" in English ( in Koine‚ Greek) can refer to either alcoholic or non-alcoholic wine. At present, the term "wine" is almost used exclusively of alcoholic wine, but let us never be guilty of interpretation based solely upon modern day definitions. Consider these examples of the word "wine" being used in Scripture with reference to unfermented grape juice."

But this is not about anything more then the choice of merchants to sell wine and beer on Sundays and the freedom of those that want to buy it to do so.

As I posted early on in this thread, the laws were drafted to honor the Sabbath. The winds of change blow for the good or the bad depending on your view point.

It has nothing to do with Satan doing a good job, temptations are laid in front of us daily, satan, according to scripture, the father of lies, its up to us under free will, what we do with the lies.
**THIS IS IF ONE EXCEPTS THE PREMISE THAT THE Bible is real**"
If the Bible is real, then God has given us free will, and there in lies the catch 22. If one does not believe the Bible, what are you going to do? The Catholic churched tried to force there position on the world and then cam Martin Luther -

"Martin Luther had a small head-start on Tyndale, as Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door"

It should be voted on by the people and if the people of SC want to have a choice, then thats the way it should be.

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dixiegrl, {wondering if I should even start this}

So can I conclude, since this discussion is about selling alcoholic beverages on Sunday in parts of Dorchester County, that your husband never has to scrape DUI victims off the pavement on Sundays in said parts of Dorchester County?

Posted by nikkiP on July 21, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I read where Charleston places in the crimes. I can't say I'm disappointed, because I know where I live whether it be here or in Columbia.

But if you're going to stay, maaaaybe complaining about things down here and saying how great it us up north won't really help. It's like standing in the street and complaining about how hot it is outside.

Posted by Girleygirl on July 21, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I need to drink some Trump w/cranberry juice right now!

Jeff you are tooooooooooooo funny!

Posted by greyrider on July 21, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never understood looking at statewide crime numbers. Many states have cities 200-300 or more miles apart. If you have a city in your state with a sky high crime rate 300 miles away, and your hometown has 1/4 that much crime, who cares? There are plenty of communities within the lowcountry that have relatively low crime rates compared with the national average.

Posted by ChrisPia on July 21, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

According to the statistics, whites form the largest racial group on welfare; half of all welfare recipients leave in the first two years; and teenagers form less than 8 percent of all welfare mothers.

Argument

Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Time on AFDC
---------------------------
Less than 7 months 19.0%
7 to 12 months 15.2
One to two years 19.3
Two to five years 26.9
Over five years 19.6

Number of children
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One 43.2%
Two 30.7
Three 15.8
Four or more 10.3

Age of Mother
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Teenager 7.6%
20 - 29 47.9
30 - 39 32.7
40 or older 11.8

Status of Father 1973 1992
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Divorced or separated 46.5% 28.6
Deceased 5.0 1.6
Unemployed or Disabled 14.3 9.0
Not married to mother 31.5 55.3
Other or Unknown 2.7 5.5

Some interesting Statistics For You. ......

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LANDLORD - "...Have you even smoked marijuana. You must be really ignorant. Smoking weed will never drive a man to kill himself. Who ever that was obviously killed themself for other reasons.'

Weed is just as much a problem as those that ABUSE legal alcohol. I am not going back down this path, but, to get that joint to your lips, there are many hands it passes through, there are those that are killed to get you that "harmless" dope.

F. It, lets legalize all drugs and be done with it. Meth, crack, herion, what the hell. that will fix everything.

marijuana users directly cause the death of hundreds each year. just like alcohol abuse. Just because you dont smack the ole lady while high, doesnt mean someone died to smuggle that crap to your self serving little hands.

And before you even ask, I grew up in the 70s, I was rollin joints in my double zepplin album and picking out the seeds and stems way before I turned 17.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LANDLORD - "...Have you even smoked marijuana."

I think I did, but I don't think I remember inhaling it.

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Disclaimer - I HAVE NOT SMOKED DOPE IN 31 years! Still listen to Zepplin though!

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how did we get from alcohol to welfare? did I miss something...oh wow that black light is cool, if I existed in the thumbnail of a being in a universe that grew silver trees that happen to need my blood cells to continue to exist in the beggining..

wait...

crap NM

Posted by Lovely_One on July 21, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, here is my take on the religion debate. I believe that their is a God and that Jesus Christ is His Son and my Lord and Savior. That is my belief. I cannot make anyone on this earth have the same belief that I have. I have faith that their is a God and nothing anyone can say will ever be able to shake MY faith. I may make the decision one day to believe something else (I doubt that highly), but that will be my decision; not that of anyone else. Just as I probably will never be able to convince those that don't believe in God or Jesus that they are in fact real.

I know they are real because of my everyday experiences and how I feel in my spirit. That is how I explain Their realness. You may need more concrete evidence like science or to be able to see God with your physical eyes, but my soul and my faith are enough for me. My faith is not for you to understand as your faith is not for me to understand. That is why it is called MY FAITH!

And that is all I'm gonna say about that!

Posted by tripsa on July 21, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enough of the red herring marijuana arguement, its worse then tobacco for your health. And we all know what is happening to smokers. Life Insurance, health insurance...second hand smoke.............

pure lunacy

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/mariju...

"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways."

Posted by MindBath on July 21, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm okay with that Lovely. And I would never try to shake your faith. But some people do not have those feelings in their spirit. Still others cannot distinguish those feelings from many other unfounded feelings (like paranoia). It is argued that the Son of Sam got his instructions from his dog. Who knows what goes on in the mind?

People who weigh all the evidence and the feelings that bubble up from their subconcious (under heavy pressure to believe on pain of family scorn and eternal punishment) and still do not believe should not be punished... in flames... forever. And the fact that people who grew up in a Christian-dominated western culture and embraced Christianity makes me wonder what those same people would believe had they grown up in the middle east, or centuries ago on an island that worshipped the rock god Maal.

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