Posted by stand828 on August 8, 2008 at 4:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good Lord! Will somebody please elect this man to something so he'll go away? I think he has run for everything but dogcatcher...

Posted by lillycollette on August 8, 2008 at 5:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by Riptide on August 8, 2008 at 5:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think he would screw up the office of dog catcher. Doesn’t the ACLU, the Green Party and Platt know by now that splitting the socialist vote within the democrat party will ensure a republican victory. In order for the democrat party to have any chance at all of winning they will need every socialist, communist, progressive, liberal, illegal alien, Muslim, and any other anti-American vote they can muster. Platt must have one big ego problem.

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide

Correct! He is a typical Democrat! And he would definetly screw up anything he touches. Would you buy a car from this dude?

Posted by Johnq2 on August 8, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Riptide, Liberals aren't anti-American. They're just against neocon retards like you who parrot Limbaugh and his idiotic rantings whenever they don't understand something.

Why is it so hard for you to understand what the ACLU court case is about? The election commission is not the enforcer of party rules regardless of which party someone belongs to. Their job is to enforce state law.

The people will decide who to elect.

Posted by Riptide on August 8, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Johnq...

In the words of Antonio Gramsci, the famous communist that broke from the International during the 1920s, one must work within the cultural and political institutions of a capitalist society in order to bring about a socialist revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Contact Barack Obama campaign headquarters, they’ll fill you in on the details, it's in the liberal playbook.

You have a nice day.

Posted by Johnq2 on August 8, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa-

Your neotard mindset will soon be rewarded by a new president that will take our country back from the criminals in charge now.

The neocon agenda has turned the tide of public opinion against them. Rantings by the brain dead followers of these morally corrupt traitors such as yourself actually have helped the majority of Americans who can think for themselves see the error of their ways.

The more desperate the rants and crazy accusations those like yourself come up with to justify your support of these failed policies only reinforces peoples opinions that they are indeed right and that it is time to remove ALL republicans and their appointees.

Tell us more tripsa, we're all ears! HA!

Posted by teeitup on August 8, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Johnq must have chashed his welfare check and bought more crack.

Posted by ColdBeer on August 8, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally, I'd like to see any and all party affiliations go away. Run as individuals, on the issues. I see no problem with this particular issue... Platt is an American (and a non-felon). He should be able to run for an elected office. Period. The law needs to be changed. I would not vote for Platt, but he should be able to run.

Posted by zekemire on August 8, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good Old ACLU! Liberal idiots trying to subvert the laws and constitution of the USA! If they would take up causes that actually have a Contitutional reason, they might be a little more respected! Instead they look for whatever radical cause they can find to force their liberal anti USA agenda on the majority! IDIOTS!

CAN WE LEGALLY RUN THEM OUT OF S.C.??

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We don't hate America, just only the reich winged Conservative fascist, which are the likes of most of you guys!

Posted by crankyyankee on August 8, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

America has the strongest most advanced military in the world, the most vibrant ecconomy, the best standard of living, one of the longest life expectancies and is benchmark the rest of the civized world uses to measure themselves by and BO wants to change that! Will one of you Dem's please explain why?

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Zeke, did you even RTFA? Or is this just a mindless, knee-jerk response to any headline with the letters ACLU?

If fighting to get a Green Party candidate on the ballot is their way of forcing "their liberal anti USA agenda on the majority" then you should be glad. Green Party candidates tend to dilute the liberal vote by taking away primarily from Democrats.

Anyway, read the article. They have taken a reasonable position here. I almost see it as a friendly warmup for the ACLU in SC to gain favor. But perhaps they have underestimated the degree to which we blindly spew our right-wing rhetoric.

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bet the ACLU wouldn't do this for a conservative candidate.

The founder of the ACLU said his goal was to turn this country into a socialist/communist country.

They also defend the Man Boy Love Association...you know where they think it is alright to have sex with boys. I believe the guy in charge of the ACLU chapter in Virginia was arrested for going after children. Lovely group.

It always amazes me how the left accuses conservatives of being facists when it is the far left that is closest to that. How so? It is the far left that wants to take away our rights to defend ourselves with guns...2nd amendment. Hitler was a fascist. Guess what he did before he rounded up the Jews? He took away their guns. Sorry, but the far left are the fascists.

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Libs...Pick a better country.Do it today. We want to hear which place is better than the US! Do not ignore this! I am trying to get an idea what you leftists want! I think I know..socialism! But I am so sensitive that I dont want to be accused of stereotyping you. So do your part..name your country now! For the children!

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mindbath, you are exactly right when you say, "a friendly warm-up for the ACLU in SC to gain favor". That is what the ACLU does. They will occasionally take on a legitimate case so they can "look good". But most of their cases is to destroy this country from within. Don't you think it is pathetic the way they have gone after the boyscouts?

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, Jane. Believe me, I have LOTS of problems with the ACLU. They generally test the Constitution on causes I abhor. I could go on all day about what I hate about the ACLU.

I want people to react to what the issues are, though, and not just blindly dismiss a cause because the ACLU may have embraced it.

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I respect what you're saying MindBath, but we are dealing with an organization that wants to destroy us from within so it is understandable to cringe when one sees ACLU. The bad they are doing to this country outweighs any small good they supposedly do. It angers me that our tax dollars go to this organization. Unconstitutional.

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

johnq,

Alright the game is up. You are not as stupid as you are coming across! You cant be!

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.

Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

What is wrong with any of the above???

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just love it when they people that scream about how liberals hate America. Liberals are the ones trying to safe our Bill of Rights.

You know those things that makes America so great!!!

Posted by yellowdogdemocrat on August 8, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is so crazy because Platt is a CONSERVATIVE! Just ask him how he feels about gay rights or womens rights. He's a party flip flopper from way back. He will wear out his welcome with the Greens soon enough and he'll be dragging his whiney ass back to the Republicans wanting to sue the ACLU because they can't get him on the ballot either. So support Eugene Platt and his cause to get on the ballot and make a mockery of the whole election system! Ooops, I forgot. George Bush already did that...

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt,

If you actually believe what you wrote about the ACLU you need to get on medication!.The ACLU is one of the most diabolical organizations on earth!! Yes liberals hate the U.S. However they are cowards because they will not tell you which country we should strive to be like! You know why..because it would be a socialist country!

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RW

Just because Newt does not buy into the kool-aid that the Reich’s winged conservative talk show blow-hards try to brain wash you guys with doe not make her crazy. I love my country, but I think it is very arrogant to think we are the end all to be all. I HATE HEARING THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DISAGREE WITH YOU IDIOTS WE HATE THIS COUNTRY!!!!! T-TOTAL BS!!!!!!!! If we did hate this country, we would not put up the good fight with the likes of you, the likes of who are sending this country down the tubes!

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

guidedby,

Stop the venom! All I want to know from you liberals is which country the US should try to emulate? Liberals such as yourself certainly have a model country..what is it? In my view you leftist want socialism. Prove me wrong!. We live in the best country in the world because we conservatives prevent leftists from destroying it.Like they have every other country they control. But if socialism is what you want ...say it!

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

guidedby,

If you respect the ACLU..say that too! Say that NAMBLA should be protected! Say that all public prayers should be banned! The ACLU are nothing more then pitiful disgruntled little leftists who do not have the nads to say they wish to overthrow our system. In fact the early ACLU took most of their plays from the communist manifesto!! Do you support communism?

Posted by ColdBeer on August 8, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

guidedbystewart, do you realize your comments would be taken much more seriously if you could manage to make them without referring to everyone as an idiot? You pretty much lose all credibility at that point. Differing opinions don't make people idiots. Some are hard to believe, I'll grant that, but that doesn't mean they are idiotic.

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RW
Contrary to what you think, I don’t have a one certain model country. What works well for one country will not work for the next (there are variable and factors that make this the case). I know that you have me pegged as a socialist just because I feel that we have an ethical right to provide affordable health care, but so does most of the western civilized world. I do disagree with about 85 percent of your much skewed viewpoints, because they are so extreme. I am not a person that follows a certain ideal logy, but more like a pragmatist and a person that uses reason to solve problems. I know that it will be hard for you conservatives to understand, because it does not hold some black or white solution.
For example, Sweden is a country where socialism works well; yet, it does so because it is a small wealthy country with a literate very educated workforce. Yet, I know that socialism would not work in the US because we have too large of a population, we don’t have the wealth (well the few have it, but not the large majority), and we too many people that feel that we are entitled to hands outs. Yet, there are many problems that we as a country face that will take some radical solutions. With a growing world population, and a limited number of resources, the US really needs to re-evaluate it consumption habits for example. Something most of you conservative could really care less about. I could go into more details, but sorry I really do not have the time…., but maybe a later day.

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PS I don’t agree with everything that the ACLU does, yet their founding principles are pretty sound. Sorry ColdBeer, but I am sick and tired of conservatives stating that we hate America when this is not the case. It not intending to everyone that post, but definitely to the people that claim we hate America.

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey RW - I took that list straight from the mission statement on the ACLU's website. You might want to visit it and enlighten yourself on what they truly stand for....those pesky Bill of Rights!

They do not differentiate on who they defend. And unfortunately, even groups NO ONE approves of also have rights. The important thing is they are willing to stand up for EVERYONE, even you if your rights were to be infringed upon. That is the most American thing I can think of!!

They do not say all public prayer should be banned, they say it should be all inclusive, non-denominational prayer…you know the kind that embraces all the religious diversity that make up this GREAT NATION!

They are not communists, quit the opposite. Communism silences it citizens, UCLA stands for every American’s right to FREE speech. Remember the big #1!

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The founding priciples of the ACLU was socialism/communism. That is what the founder of the ACLU said. I do not consider those sound principles. They defend pedophiles and are going after the Boy Scouts for heavens sakes.

I don't see why guided can't give us another country that he thinks would be the ideal.

As far as affordable health care...you do not want government run healthcare. In Canada and England and elsewhere, they have to wait months after a diagnosis to get surgery and they usually die. Yes, health costs have gotten too high here.

Get the government out. There have been around 2000 government regulations added since Clinton was in office. That makes prices skyrocket. For example, New Jersey has so many regulations that only three insurance companies will operate there. That makes prices high because there is no competition.

Frivolous lawsuits drive prices up. As do millions of folks that aren't supposed to be here getting free healthcare.

I dated a guy from Denmark and yes, they had "universal healthcare", but he said they were taxed so heavily they had very little money left in their paychecks and there was no way to save. He said he wanted to live here for awhile so he could save some money.
We have safety nets for people who are low income. Let's not force everyone into government run healthcare. It doesn't work. That is why folks from Canada come here for surgery. In Canada they have to wait months for the government run doled out healthcare.

Posted by follitics on August 8, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

James Islanders will remember that Eugene Platt's campaign signs read "Integrity." What a joke.

When he filed as a Democratic candidate, Platt signed and swore an oath on a pledge that if he lost the primary, he wouldn't run against another Democrat. He signed the same pledge two years ago. Now he says he doesn't remember and it doesn't count and he's going to run against Anne Peterson Hutto, who beat him handily in the primary.

And there's more. Platt started out his political career as a Democrat. Then he became a Republican. Then he was a Democrat against. Now he's a Green -- whatever suits his purpose of the moment. And he morphed his "principles" accordingly.

"Integrity"? "Vanity" says it better.

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RW, NAMBLA was protected (when it used to actually exist) in THIS country. They were protected because they SAID, not DID. Their's was the disgusting use of free speech that constitutes a test of the limitations of free speech. Of course we HATE them, that's why they made a good test case. Defending the I Love America Club and it's right to present their message may be easy and may feel good, but it doesn't really test anything.

The list of countries where hated groups would be banned would pretty much give you the same list you were asking guidedbystewart to give you.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it." Everyone loves that phrase, only some really mean it.

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU is not going to put on their website what the founder said. They know that would be suicidal for them. They are going after Christians. They have no problems with muslim footbaths in airports, but heaven forbid folks bow their heads before a football game or any other function and thank our creator for His blessings. Footbaths are used by Muslims before prayer. Can you imagine if we started putting a cross and a kneeler in airports so Christians could pray openly in airports? The ACLU would be all over that. They went after the city of San Diego to take down a cross that had been there for decades. I predict now that the ACLU is in Charleston they will demand we take down the cross in our harbor.

There is a wonderful organization called

STOP THE ACLU

www.stoptheaclu.org

Check out some of the trash the ACLU supports. I highly suggest reading this along with the ACLU's website to get a balanced perspective on what the ACLU is really about. They can't come right out and say they want to turn us into a socialist/communist state.

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mindbath I didn't say ban the ACLU. However, our tax dollars should not go to this organization. It is unconstitutional and we are funding our own dispossession. I do not want to be forced to support a group that is trying to destroy us from within. There is free speech and there is sedition. I consider alot of the ACLU's actions seditious activities. Individuals want to give them money that is their choice, but I don't like having my paycheck raped for such an organization as the ACLU.

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Google for ACLU defends Christians.

Here they defend religious groups against a city ordinance that would ban them from protesting against a gay pride parade. Just search and you will find many more.
http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/StPeteLetter....

They may be headed by socialists, they certainly support some horrible causes, but they also consitently defend free speech - and without that we are not free.

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mindbath we could go round robin on this all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that overall this group is about the moral destruction of our nation. Yes, they do take on some cases that are right, but most of the time they don't and their overall agenda is not for the good of this nation. They continue to sue school districts and then make the schood district foot the bill. Horrible. They have no right to come into a school and demand what should be taught and fight parents and tell them what they want taught instead of what the parents want taught. Blatant violation of parents' civil rights. Our Founding Fathers would have wanted the parents to have a say in their childrens' education not some outside group like the ACLU. For me it is the over all agenda of this group, not the occasional token case they take on to try to look like they care about our civil liberties.
Have a great evening.

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Useful comments from Christianity Today concerning the ACLU and it's relationship to Christians:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006...

Don't get me wrong, the ACLU is hardly the defender of Christians. It just happens that Christians' free speech rights are sometimes challenged and, when that happens, they have the support of the ACLU.

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mindbath - Jane will never understand. i have had round robin over and over again. Jane only gets stranger as the discussion goes on.

It feels a lot like betting your head against a wall. You get a head ache and the wall is still there!

Posted by Riptide on August 8, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, we go back to Antonio Gramsci who split with Lenin as to how to overthrow capitalist society. Antonio felt that by corrupting our legal, political, educational, mass media and religious institutions the socialist left (liberal democrats) can over throw the capitalist system. The ACLU is one of many organizations on the left that was founded by people like Baldwin and Foster both Marxists. Sure the ACLU is there defending someone who is burning the American flag or desecrating Christian artifacts as free speech but where were they when it comes to our second amendment rights or the supreme court case of Kilo vs. New London? Yes, liberals are in favor of free speech? That’s a laugh. Try to listen to a conservative speaker on a college campus or wait til next year when Congress tries to usher in the Fairness Doctrine.

Well my break is over with.

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jane, we agree more than we disagree on this.

I am just hammering on sort of a devil's advocate angle. I don't like the ACLU. I do like some of the things they do. I don't trust them either, but when they defend the I Hate Children magazine, I understand why they do that. And if they have a hidden agenda, and if they themselves actually hate children, I don't like that. But it doesn't stop me from supporting their defense of the magazine.

What I mean is, at the same time as I question their agenda, if what they happen to be defending in a case happens to be a cornerstone of American freedom, then I will support them in that effort. People have a bad habit of going against lots of things, some good, just because the ACLU has stamped their name on it.

Posted by MindBath on August 8, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops...

Above should say: I don't ESPECIALLY like the ACLU.

Anyways...

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RIPTIDE:

Wow and the boogieman is in your closet. He is waiting for you to go to sleep and then he is going to come out and turn you into one of the pod people.

Paranoia deep destroyer!

Posted by Jane on August 8, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, the ACLU does sometimes defend the expression of Christians (sometimes). What they don't defend are our Christian values. One of the reasons that little girl's school denied her the right to sing that Christian song is because the ACLU has gone into school districts and sued over Christians expression. They sue to take down our Christian symbols and the Ten Commandments. Even if a person doesn't believe in God, I think any decent person can believe in the 10 Commandments. What is wrong with the ACLU that they can't stand "Thou Shalt Not Kill" on our courthouse grounds?
Yes, they do good about 10% of the time, but they don't support our Christian values. The occasional expression, OK but not our basic principles that our nation was founded on. That is my problem with them.
MindBath I appreciate your civility with your posts. Thank you for being cordial. We disagree on some aspects (and as you said agree on alot). I appreciate you being polite and showing that it is possible to have disagreements with each other and be adults about our disagreements. That is how we learn and become informed which is what I strive for for myself. I want to know both sides so I can make an informed opinion. I Yahooed what you said and did get some information I did not know about. Won't change my opinion though of my overall view of the ACLU. :-)
MindBath have a great weekend!

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“I don't see why guided can't give us another country that he thinks would be the ideal.”
Sorry Jane and RW but there isn’t a country that is ideal, and that includes the US. All countries have their flaws. But there are many, from at least an outsider’s view and a limited knowledge of (but since Geography is one of my passions I know more about these countries than most Americans) that do I admire. Canada, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Great Britain, New Zealand, Costa Rica, all have admirable traits in some way, whether if it’s there natural beauty, government or the way they treat there people. Like I said before, these countries are different from the US in size, global responsibility, power, etc., so US to these countries would be like comparing apples to oranges. Yet, we can learn what works for these countries, and use this knowledge to better our nation.

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa - don't be ugly! You know the only thing the neocons are good for are BIG lies, oil money and if I had a wife that looked....oh, never mind.

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa - I know how you feel about the ACLU and you know how I feel about Neocons!

And darn tootin' I trust the ACLU more than any BUSHIE!

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OH - you will never get rid of us....we are like the Justice League - " Where ever tyranny spreads and whenever justice is threatened we will be there to defend against the oppressors!"

BIG OIL & REPUBLICANS!

Posted by guidedbystewart on August 8, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"the leftists are a dieing breed...they ahve no new ideas, now means of accomplishing their agenda without taking from the workers, and their base are nuts like moveon, welfare queens, radical homosexuals, those wanting free health care, those wanting to help illegal aliens,"

The conservtives are not doing much better, it the extremist that are the main ones buying into the bull of either party... unfortunitely there are allot of extremist here in SC.

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please I was talking about her looks not her cancer.....I have never and will never care about a politician’s extramarital affairs. Told you once and will say it again: I knew Clinton was a dog the first times I voted for him and the second time I voted for him!

Like I would expect anything different from John Edwards?

PLEASE, get a clue....men are dogs and so are the women that mess with married men!

Posted by Newt on August 8, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

trippin - please go back and copy some of my other posts...Not the ones where I am playing to your bait. You know the ones that are really important....Oh wait, you wouldn't want to give them too much air time. They completely negate your posts!

Yeah, you play the same game those right wing radio guys play. Keep talking nonsense until someone believes you then it becomes the truth. Go suck on a box-o-wine!

Posted by Riptide on August 8, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Comrade Newt….

Paranoid? No it’s not paranoia. I can understand the left’s views when it comes to the second amendment. Anyone who can defend themselves with a firearm lend credence to the ideal of self reliance and individualism. Self reliance and individualism goes against the collectivist ideology of the left. I also understand why the left ruled against this nurse in Connecticut in the Supreme Court case of Kilo vs. New London. This case involved a nurse and her house vs. the government’s right to subordinate her right to property to the interest of the state. The fifth amendment and eminent domain cases clearly states what the government can do and can not do, there is nothing in this case where the government can take a person’s property and hand it over to a developer for the express purpose of generating taxes.The government is not allow to that. This is fascism which is a kissing cousin of socialism. Property rights is the foundation of capitalism and property rights goes against the ideals of socialism.

I don't have a problem with socialism, just take it back to Europe where it belongs. I don't want to live under it.

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide,

Correct again. No one wants to live under socialism! It is evil. If the left thinks that socialism is on the horizon w/Obama they are sadly mistaken. We will not have Nationalized Health Care or surrender personal freedoms for govt goodies. At least we will not w/o a fight! Keep it in Europe! It has practically destroyed Europe anyway!

Posted by RW on August 8, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To any liberal...Is Cuba a model nation? They got free health care that that half-wit Michael Moore says is better than the US. Go on libs defend the Old Soviet Union, Cuba, VietNam, China. We conservatives know that within your pitiful little souls you actually long to have those systems here! Just say it. Guidedby admits she likes socialism. That's a start! Be careful because in China they run over you with tanks if you want freedom! Oh yeah forced abortions and {female}infanticide are pretty common there as well. They hate God though so you lefties I am sure appreciate that! I'll just continue to pray and give Thanks to the Almighty for allowing me to live w/o question in the best country he ever created! W/O wicked socialism!